Play annotation Speakers are Shaayi Éesh Smith Katzeek (left) and Gax̱daakashú Joe Hotch (right). Recorded October 31, 2007 at Alaska Native Sisterhood Hall in Klukwan, Alaska. Produced at the University of Alaska Southeast, this material is based upon work supported by the National Science Foundation under Grant No. 0853788. Any opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the views of the National Science Foundation. Recorded by Alice Taff and Katrina Hotch. English translation by Smith Katzeek, Joe Hotch, Marge Dutson, Selina Everson, and Alice Taff. SYMBOLS: Brackets = {false start}, (added for clarity), [translator/transcriber's note]. ??? = canʼt understand.
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Play annotation They can't hear us.
Play annotation Yes.
Play annotation What are we going to tell?
Play annotation Our background, our background.
Play annotation Go ahead?
Play annotation Yes.
Play annotation First of all...
Play annotation My uncle (the opposite uncle),
Play annotation our ancestors who have gone before us,
Play annotation that's where they go when there's something heavy to talk about,
Play annotation to talk about things of the community.
Play annotation They would be in there for a long period of time.
Play annotation To talk for ourselves we didn't have a modern government like white man.
Play annotation Our Tlingit leaders,
Play annotation they used to meet
Play annotation for the benefit of their children and grandchildren.
Play annotation When they're getting close to the end (of the discussion),
Play annotation "Prepare a good path
Play annotation where your children and grandchildren will come through.
Play annotation Because of that, they won't walk in a difficult path."
Play annotation That's the way we hear it.
Play annotation Someone that used to come to our place,
Play annotation George Saunders,
Play annotation he used to tell stories.
Play annotation "You will come to the age;
Play annotation you folks will teach others."
Play annotation I'm trying to do as he said.
Play annotation That's right.
Play annotation I don't fully understand/know it.
Play annotation But I'm trying.
Play annotation Those that are growing up behind us.
Play annotation they're understanding it.
Play annotation ???
Play annotation They're already on the trail.
Play annotation They're going to be here.
Play annotation They're already coming.
Play annotation Because of us
Play annotation Marsha, and her daughter
Play annotation the way they're teaching the children.
Play annotation The way they used to be,
Play annotation people who went ahead of us (ancestors, leaders),
Play annotation they used to teach us.
Play annotation So,
Play annotation we're walking right because of the way they taught us.
Play annotation Hopefully we're walking the right way.
Play annotation That's the way.
Play annotation That's what they used to tell us.
Play annotation They told us all kinds of stories.
Play annotation Stories about interior.
Play annotation They ate as they walked.
Play annotation But now
Play annotation we travel by car.
Play annotation Long time ago they just walked.
Play annotation I don't understand this story good.
Play annotation Just by listening and learning.
Play annotation Go down the river and bathe.
Play annotation Slush, when the river is slushy.
Play annotation They didn't know sickness.
Play annotation Really, They were very strong, our ancestors.
Play annotation Our ancestors
Play annotation were very strong.
Play annotation Whatever they did
Play annotation they did together.
Play annotation They did together.
Play annotation That's the way I understand it.
Play annotation You're telling it right.
Play annotation That's right.
Play annotation The way we heard it, those that have gone before us would say, "I grew up after it."
Play annotation Our elders would say,
Play annotation "I grew up after."
Play annotation Even though they know it they would say what they said.
Play annotation They grew up after.
Play annotation Respect
Play annotation was precious in this community.
Play annotation Respect people.
Play annotation And don't,
Play annotation don't lie.
Play annotation Telling the truth is good.
Play annotation is what we were told.
Play annotation Then
Play annotation Iʼd like those who are growing up after us,
Play annotation for them to hear
Play annotation this
Play annotation language.
Play annotation And to respect the land.
Play annotation That's what we were told.
Play annotation If it changes in any way,
Play annotation and whatever you do,
Play annotation if you don't do right,
Play annotation on the face of the land,
Play annotation you'll put dirt on it. [Shame it.]
Play annotation Was what they used to say to us.
Play annotation That's how it is.
Play annotation We do not like
Play annotation for any dirt to touch the face of our land. ['Land' meaning all it holds.]
Play annotation This
Play annotation Tom Jimmy, who walked away from us, [who died]
Play annotation he used to say,
Play annotation "The people at the end of the road, [Haines]
Play annotation are like our face [facial image]
Play annotation When the first things were happening,
Play annotation something happens
Play annotation this Klukwaan
Play annotation Yes.
Play annotation It's good,
Play annotation to keep Haines'
Play annotation face."
Play annotation That's how
Play annotation they used to teach us.
Play annotation That's how
Play annotation I know it.
Play annotation Yes.
Play annotation I don't know things very well.
Play annotation But yet, we try.
Play annotation You're telling it right.
Play annotation Respect each other.
Play annotation White man too.
Play annotation They highly prize
Play annotation language.
Play annotation Respecting each other,
Play annotation and the land also.
Play annotation You'll respect the land.
Play annotation And this
Play annotation fish ???,
Play annotation bear,
Play annotation whatever we eat
Play annotation with respect.
Play annotation Yes.
Play annotation When you see it
Play annotation you will not say anything to offend it.
Play annotation You'll speak to it with respect.
Play annotation Then it will come to you.
Play annotation That's it.
Play annotation Near my smokehouse,
Play annotation the bear would walk around it.
Play annotation He always walks past it.
Play annotation ???
Play annotation When he comes out,
Play annotation I speak to him.
Play annotation "Poor me," I say to it.
Play annotation "My grandchildren
Play annotation For my grandchildren, their food is what I'm working for."
Play annotation And they walk past me. [Bears]
Play annotation If they know this, [how to talk to the bear]
Play annotation the children,
Play annotation it will be very valuable.
Play annotation When they know it.
Play annotation I went to the other one
Play annotation where they teach
Play annotation last night.
Play annotation All the white people
Play annotation they really sang the Tlingit songs.
Play annotation That's all how I know it.
Play annotation Yes.
Play annotation So,
Play annotation I'd like to speak about something humorous. ???
Play annotation liquor and cigarettes.
Play annotation That's how
Play annotation it will ruin our way of life.
Play annotation if we start taking it.
Play annotation I am hoping
Play annotation the children following us
Play annotation and our grandchildren
Play annotation they don't ever use it.
Play annotation And they will live longer lives.
Play annotation Even the Bible tells us
Play annotation obey your mother and father and you will have a long life.
Play annotation That's right.
Play annotation That's right,
Play annotation what the Bible says.
Play annotation This
Play annotation if we respect our mother and father.
Play annotation That's how it is.
Play annotation It's not good, the cigarettes and liquor.
Play annotation If we start that way
Play annotation we should be ashamed of it.
Play annotation This
Play annotation keep it out of our life.
Play annotation That's how I feel about it.
Play annotation I'm agreeing with you. You're saying it right.
Play annotation That's right.
Play annotation That's right, those that are growing up
Play annotation With your father,
Play annotation Maybe your grandparents
Play annotation This
Play annotation [not audible]
Play annotation I didn't go with them up the mountain.
Play annotation I wasn't old enough.
Play annotation When we go after fish though
Play annotation with my father
Play annotation I just see,
Play annotation I gaff sockeye.
Play annotation After we get out of school
Play annotation we all used to go across the river.
Play annotation All my friends are gone already.
Play annotation The ones I was growing up with.
Play annotation There's no one living now.
Play annotation We go there together.
Play annotation Then we gaff sockeye.
Play annotation How many do you want?
Play annotation Maybe 10.
Play annotation After they gaff 10, they quit.
Play annotation I help the others.
Play annotation We used to work it together.
Play annotation But now I don't see it happening that way.
Play annotation We did it together.
Play annotation We did everything together.
Play annotation I don't think about it very good.
Play annotation You will touch on the subject
Play annotation Hunting for mountain goat on top of the mountain.
Play annotation When you speak about it,
Play annotation then we'll talk about it.
Play annotation That's when you stop eating fish.
Play annotation When they go up hunting in the mountain for goat. We would stop eating fresh fish because of the slime on the fish. It would cause a person to slip on the mountain.
Play annotation They would fall is the way they understood it.
Play annotation That's why they didn't eat fresh fish. That's the way they understood it.
Play annotation One day before, also
Play annotation what he can see
Play annotation We donʼt work together: like long ago we used to listen to our father.
Play annotation The money,
Play annotation it's in our way now, what our ancestors were telling us.
Play annotation They used to do it for nothing.
Play annotation Now are you going to give me money?
Play annotation That's why we missed the trail.
Play annotation Now we want money all the time.
Play annotation Long time ago they used to say,
Play annotation "When you have all your food ready for winter,
Play annotation it's like money.
Play annotation It's just like money."
Play annotation That's the way they taught us.
Play annotation Now everything is turned around.
Play annotation White man law came by us.
Play annotation That's the way I'm thinking about it.
Play annotation That's the way it's blocking us.
Play annotation [???]
Play annotation Yesterday,
Play annotation what were you doing yesterday?
Play annotation Is that all?
Play annotation Me, yesterday?
Play annotation Was that me yesterday?
Play annotation I'm not doing anything.
Play annotation It ended, making dry fish.
Play annotation I'm resting.
Play annotation Move over here.
Play annotation Yesterday
Play annotation what were you doing?
Play annotation { }
Play annotation (Maybe your wife, what work did she do???)
Play annotation When I'm home, I put all the papers together.
Play annotation What am I going to talk about?
Play annotation I put them together.
Play annotation That's when my speech,
Play annotation there's just one thing I've got a question about.
Play annotation I've got all different kinds of papers.
Play annotation There's just one thing,
Play annotation the other day Fish and Game
Play annotation talked about it.
Play annotation Let it be one, Haines
Play annotation Skagway with Klukwan.
Play annotation There's not that many of us in Klukwan.
Play annotation Just us.
Play annotation Just we, they say.
Play annotation Only 90 people in Klukwan they say.
Play annotation [???]
Play annotation My mind caught it.
Play annotation From 90 people
Play annotation that's the way I'm thinking.
Play annotation Why is it
Play annotation that they don't want to give it to us?
Play annotation We make this for ourselves, this fish.
Play annotation A lot of it.
Play annotation That's the way.
Play annotation Speak about that.
Play annotation More.
Play annotation My turn?
Play annotation This, this,
Play annotation our language, our Tlingit language,
Play annotation is important,
Play annotation is important
Play annotation that we teach each other.
Play annotation This,
Play annotation those who are younger,
Play annotation that's the way they will travel.
Play annotation This,
Play annotation it's like a map to us,
Play annotation our language.
Play annotation Oh, the bad
Play annotation language
Play annotation is spewing out (thoughtlessly).
Play annotation The good language though,
Play annotation let it come forth.
Play annotation That's the way we teach each other.
Play annotation Your work is done perfectly.
Play annotation We appreciate your work.
Play annotation All of you.
Play annotation This,
Play annotation learning together
Play annotation um,
Play annotation it's a good map.
Play annotation You're finishing it.
Play annotation I feel good about it.
Play annotation If anything happens to us,
Play annotation what we know
Play annotation you'll have this map.
Play annotation This,
Play annotation for our children and our grandchildren,
Play annotation not
Play annotation not other countries,
Play annotation like competition,
Play annotation don't do that.
Play annotation It will be for nothing.
Play annotation Just really the way we know it.
Play annotation Just walk in it.
Play annotation It can be counted on. [deeper meaning???]
Play annotation And this
Play annotation this, this song,
Play annotation the song they give to us,
Play annotation when we walk in it
Play annotation we will be lost without it.
Play annotation Just our own road
Play annotation that's how
Play annotation if we walk in it
Play annotation this
Play annotation teaching can be counted on.
Play annotation And these children
Play annotation they are happy.
Play annotation They made it, right?
Play annotation This language,
Play annotation Tlingit language,
Play annotation our way of life,
Play annotation um,
Play annotation the way it is,
Play annotation this is the way I think.
Play annotation OK
Play annotation In Tlingit?
Play annotation This
Play annotation our land (in Klukwaan) always
Play annotation it's in my mind.
Play annotation I live in Haines and still
Play annotation I always want it.
Play annotation From here
Play annotation hear it from me.
Play annotation That's the way I think about it.
Play annotation This, our lives
Play annotation what they hear from here
Play annotation we are living in it too.
Play annotation Maybe some of it
Play annotation it's just
Play annotation we left them here,
Play annotation our family.
Play annotation My thinking doesn't go that way.
Play annotation I'm living among the white people in Haines.
Play annotation And still
Play annotation my thinking is strongly from here (Klukwan).
Play annotation This is how it is.
Play annotation Me to, I feel that way.
Play annotation I grew up here.
Play annotation Yes.
Play annotation No matter whatʼs happening,
Play annotation I get on the boat and come here.
Play annotation Itʼs like
Play annotation I can see their faces there, my father and,
Play annotation and my mother.
Play annotation That is
Play annotation my older brothers
Play annotation when I prepared to go with them (hunting or fishing), they bawled me out.
Play annotation You can't go without me.
Play annotation Really small. Yes.
Play annotation When I go fishing,
Play annotation I'm cutting fish.
Play annotation Long ago maybe
Play annotation when we're cutting wood,
Play annotation by hand,
Play annotation strenuously,
Play annotation I('d) get pull(ed) around.
Play annotation Whatever we're working on,
Play annotation yesterday,
Play annotation they want(ed)
Play annotation to hear it.
Play annotation Stateside ??? I travel around
Play annotation sometimes
Play annotation I stay home.
Play annotation ??? I think about it.
Play annotation Whatever is going on.
Play annotation How are we going to be?
Play annotation In my thinking
Play annotation the way things are going now
Play annotation we're not going to fish now.
Play annotation Time is getting there. [It's getting to be that time.]
Play annotation They said there was hardly any fish.
Play annotation The same as
Play annotation they saw it.
Play annotation This
Play annotation Fish and Game, they tell us, [???]
Play annotation everything,
Play annotation they take it out, like.
Play annotation Eggs. [Fish eggs]
Play annotation That's our food.
Play annotation They send it away,
Play annotation to the States.
Play annotation That's why there's no fish.
Play annotation There's one thing I want.
Play annotation This
Play annotation the winter fish
Play annotation deep pit [???]
Play annotation it's hard to work on.
Play annotation I really used to like it.
Play annotation digging out the pit [???]
Play annotation And this one thing,
Play annotation the winters today.
Play annotation I'm learning the Bible.
Play annotation I read it.
Play annotation Our living
Play annotation the way it went
Play annotation that is how
Play annotation every day, not just night,
Play annotation in the morning, with prayer,
Play annotation every morning when I wake up, I pray.
Play annotation In the afternoon and night.
Play annotation This
Play annotation wildfire that hit in California.
Play annotation And this
Play annotation earthquake that happened,
Play annotation and this
Play annotation rain.
Play annotation These elders
Play annotation and small children
Play annotation I help them.
Play annotation I cried with them.
Play annotation That's the way I pray.
Play annotation From here, every day
Play annotation And here
Play annotation and whoever is sick
Play annotation not just in the hospital.
Play annotation Those that are sick
Play annotation I pray for them.
Play annotation This is the way I live every day.
Play annotation I know
Play annotation my Lord is just
Play annotation he gave to me
Play annotation my life three times.
Play annotation One time when I was in the army,
Play annotation this,
Play annotation a bridge was built over here.
Play annotation Railroad
Play annotation I forgot my password.
Play annotation They asked me, "Who are you?" "I forgot."
Play annotation He recognized my voice.
Play annotation "The day will come, you will call on the Lord.
Play annotation Go to church."
Play annotation River Otter Man.
Play annotation Our Chilkat food,
Play annotation in the winter
Play annotation they put it in a box.
Play annotation In the winter really [???]
Play annotation [???] then you cut it.
Play annotation And this
Play annotation [???]
Play annotation And then
Play annotation they hang it up.
Play annotation They put the meat side up.
Play annotation At first
Play annotation when they're drying it.
Play annotation And then they drain the moisture.
Play annotation That's why,
Play annotation this way,
Play annotation that's why,
Play annotation keep the meat on the outside
Play annotation for one day.
Play annotation Then cook it. With potatoes cook it.
Play annotation [???] with the fish.
Play annotation That's the way,
Play annotation just with potatoes.
Play annotation With the fish.
Play annotation Um.
Play annotation [???]
Play annotation What's that?
Play annotation With fish eggs.
Play annotation They eat it like popsickles, that one.
Play annotation They freeze it.
Play annotation And then they chew it.
Play annotation Fish eggs.
Play annotation The head.
Play annotation Do you know it differently?
Play annotation There's a difference in the way they do it.
Play annotation Not the way they cook it.
Play annotation I'm tired.
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